Marty sits down with Calle to discuss Cashu. Cashu: https://cashu.space/ Calle on Nostr: https://primal.net/calle 0:00 - Intro 0:36 - Programming is art 5:36 - Zooming out on the struggle for freedom 10:23 - Dealing with the pace of change 14:20 - Unchained & Fold 16:13 - Financial privacy 20:43 - Chaumian ecash history 33:34 - Zaprite & SOTE 35:06 - Ecash on bitcoin 42:55 - Hash pools 48:45 - Interoperable systems 52:11 - We need more privacy and more devs 55:24 - Narrative and communication 1:00:45 - Magic stuff that just works 1:10:19 - Nostr as a gateway to bitcoin 1:17:21 - Wrap up Shoutout to our sponsors: Unchained https://unchained.com/tftc/ Fold https://foldapp.com/marty Zaprite https://zaprite.com/tftc Salt of the Earth https://drinksote.com/tftc Join the TFTC Movement: Main YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TFTC21/videos Clips YT Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQcW3jxfQfEUS8kqR5pJtQ Website https://tftc.io/ Twitter https://twitter.com/tftc21 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/tftc.io/ Nostr https://primal.net/tftc Follow Marty Bent: Twitter https://twitter.com/martybent Nostr https://primal.net/martybent Newsletter https://tftc.io/martys-bent/ Podcast https://www.tftc.io/tag/podcasts/